CARAPACE creates “vibrant images of external and internal worlds,” a review by Reynie Zimmerman

Hallie Fogarty’s poems in CARAPACE are attentive to detail, drawing careful focus to simple moments often passed over. Fogarty shows familiar images under a new lens: little holes seen in the sidewalk are spaces once occupied by living things, caterpillars carried out of the yard are riding on a “magic carpet” of paper, ladybugs infesting the narrator’s office are not a nuisance but a potential family being separated through their removal.

These poems are alive with a sense of motion in nature, a presence evoked through Fogarty’s use of pleasant sounds in lines like “Floral action energizes / frenetic and unfounded” and “Irises undress themselves.” These images linger in the mind; Fogarty paints for us a world full of lush color and living things coexisting.

This harmony is juxtaposed against the narrator’s internal struggle to feel confident of the care they exhibit against their habitual “straying / from being comforted.” The narrator grapples with their feelings of “malice.” This strife is strong in my favorite poem of CARAPACE, “Calling Things What They Are.” Here the narrator describes a “fucked up bug,” before expressing guilt over assigning it this label: “I flinch at my bringing an audience for its humiliation.” In a poem of long sentences, Fogarty writes a short final sentence, drawing emphasis to the narrator’s furthered feeling of guilt, stating “It’s been dead the whole time.”

CARAPACE also showcases Fogarty’s illustrations, accompanying the poems to amplify their messaging. The narrator’s attempt to return the bodies of dried worms to the dirt, is coupled with a drawing of a worm wriggling in the corner of the page, an endearing image highlighting the narrator’s respect for these creatures. Fogarty takes care to illustrate the patterns of a moth’s wings, the spots of a ladybug, but leaves “Calling Things What They Are” without illustration. This leaves the reader to find the image of the bug through the narrator’s criticism of it, heightening the sense of guilt in this poem, while allowing the image to morph as the narrator revises their judgment of the bug: “the bug is smaller, sadder, its bullet body less horrifying now.”

CARAPACE ends in a poem of hope, “Cocoon.” Fogarty has created a narrator who worries about their capacity to hurt, while extending care to the small beings around them. “Cocoon,” brings a realistic and cathartic ending to CARAPACE, interspersing observations of the world with ways the narrator is taking care of themself. Fogarty writes about this journey to accept the self with “I find myself filling my own shoes, letting my fingers freeze if it means I can stay with the leaves a minute more.”

Fogarty’s poems in CARAPACE are tender and evocative, creating vibrant images of external and internal worlds. The mundane is repainted as something worthy of attention, the bugs are beings capable of creating connections, and the narrator finds space to reconcile and accept themself. 

by Reynie Zimmerman

–&tp

“A cohesive collection that centralizes hope, fate, security, and identity exploration in an ever-changing world”: A review of CARAPACE by guest editor Jade Driscoll

In CARAPACE, Hallie Fogarty observes the world and its complexities through interactions with and comparisons to bugs. From the shock of a nameless long-dead bug, to the uncertain hope of a dried-up worm returning to wet grass and life, to the indiscernible beauty of the largest moth in North America, Fogarty’s poems showcase how large and layered our existence is when we slow down or stop to acknowledge it. The speaker of the poems enters the collection on the precipice of self-discovery–“I’ve been restless, without sleep… / …craving / everything, nothing, new“–and leaves the readers with a self-acceptance obtained through realizing you are a growing, undefinable part of the natural world, too–“I anatomize myself, my moving body… I hold space for the numerous beings within me, the capable vessel of my body.”

I had the privilege of guest editing Fogarty’s manuscript and seeing it grow from a draft to a cohesive collection that centralizes hope, fate, security, and identity exploration in an ever-changing world. Just as the poems’ speaker(s) pick up on and pick apart the smallest details of the world around them, Fogarty brought each poem to its fullest potential by honing in on even the smallest components of each poem–the presence of a semicolon, where to place a line break, which sound(s) to emphasize in a line, how to make a title carry more of a poem’s weight. Fogarty’s willingness to experiment with several different versions of a line, title, or full poem exemplify her commitment to each individual poem, and I believe the final poems in this collection speak for themselves in showcasing Fogarty’s abilities.

Fogarty’s voice especially shines in the scattered prose poems of the collection, each detailing a subtle Joycean epiphany–the nuances of protecting something that does not or cannot understand that you are protecting it; the fear of the unknown or misunderstood, and the jarring reality of finally coming to see things as they truly are; the realization that you can change and grow without erasing the person (or people) you once were. “Calling Things What They Are” is an especially stand-out poem, which features the speaker encountering a “giant, ugly bug on the concrete sidewalk” and immediately becoming fascinated with its grotesqueness. As the speaker brings someone else over to “bask in its ugliness, its horror,” they instead realize “the bug is smaller, sadder, its bullet body less horrifying now”–and, devastatingly, that the bug had been dead all along. The poem asks readers to sit with the discomfort of realizing you have hurt, discredited, or invalidated something you misunderstood from the very beginning.

Other standout poems in the collection include “August,” “Protection,” and “Cocoon.”

Purchase a copy of CARAPACE by Hallie Fogarty on the And Then Shop, debuting April 4, 2025!

Introducing our second chapbook: CARAPACE by Hallie Fogarty

And Then Publishing’s second chapbook project will be available for purchase on April 4, 2025!

Three adjectives I might use to describe Hallie’s poetry are spiritual, painterly, and soft. To be more specific by way of metaphor and simile, Hallie’s poetry is spiritual in the way that the universe is dark and endless, filled with sparkling heavenly bodies, and burningly cold. Her poems’ syntax feels to me like confident brushstrokes of bright color that reveal the whole painting only when you back away from the canvas. The themes of her work are soft in the way that skillfully poured concrete feels like silk. If you couldn’t tell, I’m a fan.

I met Hallie in 2022 when I toured her around Miami’s campus before she committed to our MFA program. Hallie has singularly challenged and supported my relationship to poetry more than any other person has, as graduate students, friends, and collaborators. She supported &TP from the very start, and even became an early reader and reviewer of our first chapbook project. It’s my genuine honor to host some of Hallie’s poetry (she is a prolific writer and reader, a true force to be reckoned with–just look at her bookstagram, @ teddysreads) here at And Then Publishing.

CARAPACE by Hallie Fogarty is, in short, a chapbook about bugs. Crawly bugs, ugly bugs, fuzzy bugs, lonely, smelly, worthlessly alive and stubbornly dead bugs. The poems’ speaker is helplessly aware of these bugs. In “Lying in Wait” and “Calling Things as They Are,” the speaker is disturbed by the fact that they are unable to look away from bug corpses, and at other times, they are in awe of the bugs’ liveliness, individuality and significance, as in “Elm” and “Cecropia Moth.” In turn, the speaker is disgusted by their own imperfect existence and disinterested in life, “Any entity worth discussing:/ disgusting, distrusting, disowned,” and yet deeply moved by the bugs’ perseverance and their own, “Even though/ the beautiful and strange make the pain more unbearable,/ I am one of the lucky ones: I no longer want to die.”

I think this chapbook makes a perfect transition from the death-like hibernation of winter to the strained and battered breaking of spring. As midwesterners, our winters are long and desperate and our springs–if we can even call them that–are never without its tribulations for people and nature, but the survivors emerge.

I hope you’ll check out CARAPACE for yourself soon!

Yours,
&tp

The New Year & Expectations

Happy New Year! We’re now a few days into 2024, and 2023 gave me so much to be grateful for. Most specially, it gave me And Then Publishing, and it gave me you!

Thank you to all who started this journey alongside me. Thank you to all who followed us on Instagram; to all who celebrated the release of our first chapbook, Awaken, with us and to all who purchased a copy; to those who kept up with us on YouTube and followed our WordPress blog; and anyone who jumped on board at any point in the adventure. I’m so excited to accompany you into 2024!

2023 offered me so many blessings in other aspects of my life as well. In 2023, I successfully defended my Masters thesis and graduated from Miami University with my Masters of Fine Arts in Creative Writing. It was difficult to move on from a program I was so deeply involved with and cared so much about. I’m thankful that it prepared me well for my next step in my career—I started in the fall as an Associate Lecturer in the Blugold Seminar at the University of Wisconsin Eau Claire teaching rhetoric, which I really enjoy!
(Shout out to my UWEC colleagues who have asked me about &TP, I appreciate you!)

Like many others, I am always excited about the fresh perspective and hope for the shiny new year, yet daunted by the weight of possibility and expectations. And Then Publishing is still not quite a year old (we launched in late April) and I’m struggling with the high expectations I have for myself and the micropress. Social media algorithms, small business gurus, and bigger presses with employees and investors make me feel like &TP had to be constantly relevant, constantly producing. I am so proud of everything we’ve done so far, and I want to make more books and other products for you all to enjoy and share—and I promise we will!—but my life was full steam ahead this year, and all of the pressure and responsibilities and dreams I had for &TP built up. My ideas stayed as seeds and couldn’t get enough water and sunlight to grow into something I felt comfortable sharing.

Struggling with my own hesitations as a result of being an inexperienced new small business owner and bookmaker squashed a lot of my excitement to create. To be honest, I wrote several drafts of a post sharing with you all that I had gotten a teaching position and that the press would be moving will me from Leelanau County to Wisconsin never saw the light of day. How does it affect my business that my “Leelanau County-based micropress” was no longer physically located in Michigan? Does my branding change, does it alter my audience? I had so many ideas for zines and smaller publications, but what if people aren’t interested? I didn’t have the answers.

I realize now, maybe because of the light shining off of the bright new year or simply because of the passage of time, that there’s no way to find those answers unless I charge head on and try stuff out. There’s no way to know how my audience feels unless I share things with them, with you. There’s no way to grow unless I stop hesitating; I have to keep creating, keep making decisions. Not everything I do will be right or perfect, which is difficult for me to realize, but that’s reality. And I’d much rather live alongside And Then Publishing in reality than keep us stifled in my dreams.

So here’s to the new year and for auld lang syne! I hope you’ll have the courage to make mistakes and the permission to create. Thank you for being here with us now, before, and in the future.

with love,
&tp

Transformations, Difficult Emotions, & Staying Afloat: An Interview with Jade Driscoll on Her Debut Chapbook Awaken

Q: If you could describe the process of writing Awaken in three words, what words would you use and why?

A: Cathartic; dreamlike; hopeful. A lot of these poems center mental health and recovery, and a lot of the revelations that the speaker(s) have throughout the book initially occur in dream spaces.

Q: Awaken deals with anxiety, depression, and suicide. Why was it important to you to write about these challenging emotions? What do you want readers to take away from these emotions/poems?

A: I am always a proponent of representing mental illness as unflinchingly and accurately as possible, because if we don’t talk about mental illness, it can be harder for people to seek help or talk about what they’re going through. This doesn’t mean that every depiction of mental illness should be positive, because talking about hope and recovery and growth without also showing things at their worst isn’t realistic. I wanted to share my personal experiences with mental illness and how the mentally ill are treated in society, and while those experiences are often bad, they aren’t ALWAYS all bad. I really hope that readers can reflect on their own views toward mental illness, whether it’s their own struggles or how they see other people. I want people to know that things can get bad, but things can get better, too.

Q: Which poem is your favorite and why?

A: I think it would be “molly comes to my birthday party”! This poem immediately became one of my favorites when I first drafted it, because I think it captures the liminality of dreams really well. I especially love the turn that questions whether the dream is even a dream at all. I’m also especially proud of “she looked at me funny” and “once a week.”

Q: Which poem was the most difficult to write and why?

A: Probably “game night.” It’s an elegy for my friend Delaney, who I met during her first year of college. We were in the same friend group and we spent a lot of time hanging out that year; she died less than a year after we met. I wrote this poem three years later, when I was catching up with others from that same friend group. I was thinking about how much could’ve changed in those three years if she was still alive; would we even still be friends? Would we have gotten even closer? Would she be catching up with us now too? I don’t know, but I like to imagine she would still be an important person in my life, because she certainly was for that year. Trying to write an elegy for someone I miss often but also only knew for such a short period of time was really hard. I’m proud of the final poem, and I’m glad I was able to create something so personal in her honor.

Q: Who are your poetic influences?

A: There are so many! Honestly, I draw a lot of inspiration from my friends, because I’m lucky to be surrounded by so many creative people and poets. I’ve also drawn inspiration from Jeffrey Bean and Robert Fanning, who I’m honored to have taken poetry classes with in college. Other poets I’ve been influenced by include Chen Chen, Camonghne Felix, Ocean Vuong, Seamus Heaney, Elizabeth Acevedo, and Natalie Diaz. I also try to read as much poetry as I can from different writers instead of focusing on the same few styles, whether it’s through poems shared on instagram, contemporary poetry anthologies, or Poem-A-Day emails.

Q: I know that you regularly read and review all kinds of books on your instagram, @thepoetjade. If you were to write a book in any genre other than poetry, which genre would you choose and why?

A: I want to write YA! I’ve had several ideas for YA novels throughout the years, but I’m actually currently drafting a lower-YA project. It’s about a high school freshman on her school’s varsity bowling team, and I’m pulling on a lot of experiences from my own varsity bowling days!

Q: Transformation is a major theme in Awaken. What role does transformation play in the larger conversation or focus of the chapbook?

A: Transformation is, in my opinion, the vital theme that weaves this collection together. Sometimes the transformation is in how the speaker interprets something; sometimes the transformation is literal and physical; sometimes the transformation is a change between what happens in dreams and what happens in real life. But the most important piece of this is that the poems don’t stay down; the speakers fight back or adjust their viewpoint or reclaim something that was once taken from them. I hope that as readers make their way through this chapbook, they realize that, like the speakers of the poems, they can be the catalyst for their own transformations, big or small.

Q: There are several dream poems or poems about dreams in Awaken. What is your approach to writing about dreams?

A: I often have weird, vivid dreams, and I try to write down as many details as soon as I wake up. This has led to some fun lines; one of my favorite poems in the collection, “molly comes to my birthday party,” came from me waking up and telling my mom “molly came to my birthday party in my dream.” The poem veered far away from the original dream, but the title and inspiration was still there. I think dreams are such fun liminal spaces, and I love that there aren’t real boundaries in dreams. Things not only don’t make sense, but they aren’t expected to make sense.

Q: What surprised you the most about the editing and/or publishing process?

A: I was most surprised about the time and effort that went into deciding the order of the poems! When I submitted the first draft of the manuscript, I thought I’d compiled the poems in perfect order, but I think we went through four or five re-orderings before we finalized it. Trying to come up with an order that allowed the poems to speak to and feed off each other was much harder than I thought it would be. I’d never considered my poems as a cohesive collection, as opposed to individual publications in journals, so finally trying to connect everything was eye-opening. I’m really happy with the final order Bella helped me solidify!

Q: The final poem in the chapbook is dedicated to the band Stray Kids. Why was it important to  you to include it in the chapbook?

A: As the poem says, I can’t exactly credit Stray Kids with ALL of my happiness or the moments when I stay afloat despite feeling like things are falling apart. However, I found Stray Kids a few years ago during a REALLY rough part of my life, and their music helped me through. When I was watching their videos or listening to their songs, I could forget about my problems for a while. I’m not very quiet about saying that I wouldn’t have made it through that part of my life without Stray Kids. In a poetry collection that is mostly about trying to make it through mental illness, it was important to me to end on a moment of hope; dedicating a poem to the group that still makes me happier than almost anything else just made sense. 

Introducing our YouTube Channel!

Listen, I love a good Instagram reel as much as the next Gen-X’er—didn’t you see me showing off my homemade And Then tote bag to the bouncy groove of “As It Was” by Harry Styles?—but sometimes I want to settle into a video while I’m eating a meal or winding down before bed and watch someone hone their craft. Sound like you, too? Subscribe to the And Then YouTube channel!

From the opposite perspective, I really enjoy sharing the bookmaking process with you. There’s more to see than sewing up the spines (though that is one of my favorite parts!). I want to take you through the design of our projects and the production of the art that goes into them, as you’ll see a bit of in our first video. So many of us develop deep attachments to our favorite books but so little of us have access to the actual processes of design and production of bookmaking. I’m quite new at this, so you get to discover and make mistakes along with me!

The And Then YouTube channel will be the go-to place for readings, interviews, book reviews, and other press-related content, so be sure to subscribe!

If you have questions or suggestions about things you want to see on our new channel, please leave a comment on this post or message us on Instagram.

Watch our first video below! I hope you enjoy it. :p

xx,
&tp

“The final poems feel like that moment of relief right when we wake up from a relentless nightmare.” A Review of Awaken from poet Cody Tieman

In awaken, Jade Driscoll explores the suffering that often accompanies existing in a human body. Many poems center around experiences of anxiety and depression, exposing how mental illness can impact a person’s life. Driscoll’s poems successfully create a sense of the inescapable. No matter where the speaker goes, suffering seems to follow. Even when asleep, the dreamscape conveys an intense and all encompassing pain. In “dreaming of nightmares,” the speaker, even when devoured by killer bugs, still longs “for times when the tortuous rapping on my window/was more than simply a branch.”

In the standout poem titled “notes for playing the role of formerly-suicidal,” we witness a mostly one-sided conversation between a director and an actor. The director provides instructions for how the actor must dress, speak and carry herself. Space is provided for the actor to respond, but the actor does not or cannot speak. In a moment of clarity, the speaker finally says, “I think I’d like to play a different role.”  The poem asks us to reflect on important questions: What roles are we willing to play? Who is creating these roles?  Why are we so often willing to play along? The poem reminds us that the stories we cling to only hold power if we believe those narratives are true. 

This chapbook packs a quick series of punches, but mercifully pulls back in the last few pages. In one of the final poems titled “jade (adj.),” the speaker reclaims the language and identity once used against her. The final poems feel like that moment of relief right when we wake up from a relentless nightmare. The pain we felt while asleep, real or not, can be released when we’re awake. Or we can let it ruin our day. The choice is ours. If we’ve really paid attention, that pain can transform us.

Cody Tieman
June 15, 2023

“Driscoll deftly navigates violence, mental health, and girlhood with bravery, openness, and vulnerability…” Read the first review of Awaken by poet Hallie Fogarty

In her chapbook Awaken, Michigan poet Jade Driscoll deftly navigates violence, mental health, and girlhood with bravery, openness, and vulnerability. Driscoll’s stark voice and powerful imagery is seen best in lines like “Never again will I let metal / split my skin or let another boy think / he is the vital thrum of my blue veins” in the poem “split wrists” and “when constellations and whispering winds / lost to periwinkle and ripe peach flesh” in the poem “siren sunrise.” Both Driscoll’s sharp, striking account of mental illness and her experiments with form make this chapbook compellingly readable while still surprising readers with moments like “maybe I could find myself / by tearing myself apart” in the poem “once a week” and “each time i dive into water // I wish for suffering that never comes” in the piece “each time i dive into water.” Despite her necessary honesty in exploring suicide and violence against the self, Driscoll ultimately leaves the audience with hope and dignity, both in the penultimate poem “jade (adj.)” with the unforgettable line “Everything beautiful and powerful and necessary is jade.” as well as with ending the final poem “my sunshine” with the lines: “that they know how wonderful life will be every time I / choose to / stay.” Other standout poems of the collection include “molly comes to my birthday party,” “on watching Dead Poets Society in sophomore english five weeks after trying to kill myself,” “split wrists,” and “jade (adj.).”

Hallie Fogarty
June 9, 2023